The Deeper Dimensions of Mindfulness: An Interview With Jon Kabat-Zinn

In October 2015, I hosted the world’s largest mindfulness conference, the mindfulness summit, with over 250,000 people in attendance online.

This interview below with Jon Kabat-Zinn aired on the last day of the summit and was the peak of the whole summit for me. In this interview, Jon chats with me about the deeper dimensions of a mindfulness practice and the ‘self-realisation’ that unfolds as a result of the practice. He also clears up some common misconceptions about mindfulness and invites us to know for ourselves the sacredness that is inherent in the present moment. He also answers the question, ‘Is there a right way to practice?’ or ‘a right tradition?’ and gives wise advice on dealing with one of the biggest challenges in awakening.

Click the video below to watch. I have also included the transcript of the interview below the video. You can watch more of the mindfulness summit @

Melli: Welcome or welcome back to the Mindfulness Summit, the not-for-profit online conference teaching you how to practice mindfulness and showing you how mindfulness can change your world from the inside out. I’m your host, Melli O’Brien and this is day 31. The last day of this month of mindfulness that we have shared together. It’s been the most incredible journey, the most amazing adventure of learning and growth and insight and community. It’s been an amazing experience watching this community grow, there are a quarter of a million of us here on this journey together now.

We are truly blessed in this last day of the summit to be joined by Jon Kabat-Zinn. Jon, if you haven’t heard of him already, is Professor of Medicine Emeritus at the University of Massachusetts Medical School where he was the founder of the Center for Mindfulness. Jon is a bestselling author, a mindfulness teacher and creator of the groundbreaking MBSR Program. MBSR stands for Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction. Jon has really been a pioneer in making mindfulness more accessible especially in the West.

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  1. “I think that we need all sorts of people and the only way that it’s really going to change is if you find what you love. Each one of us find what we love and just give ourselves over to it. Then not claim any credit for it.” Such a great interview! Thank you so much

  2. Bruce Burdick says:

    What a wonderful thought of having Congressmen and Senators sit silently for 15 minutes together at some agreeable time each day, feeling their hearts beat as one, feeling their lungs breath as one, and their desire be to take care for each of us as well as our hearts care for all our cells.

    In addressing global warming, might we become aware that the citizens of Bhutan do not cause global warming? Bhutan has set aside enough trees to absorb all of their CO2 emissions. Might California, and Washington, and every state strive to have all of their CO2 emissions absorbed by their forests?

    Currently the forests of the world absorb about 11.2 pounds of CO2 equivalents per world citizen each day. If you go to the Nature Conservancy Carbon Calculator website, you can find out how many tonnes of CO2 you emitted last year. If you multiply those tonnes of CO2 by 2205 pounds per tonne, and divide by 365 days per year, you will find out how many pounds of CO2 you emitted on average every day last year. If we try to emit just 11.2 pounds of CO2 per day, we will greatly decrease our CO2 emissions. Currently it takes 10 pounds of CO2 to provide food for a vegetarian in America, and 20 pounds of CO2 per day to provide food for a meat loving American. Might we make a $15 tax deductible donation to the Nature Conservancy for every tonne of CO2 we emitted last year? That would eventually protect forests to absorb all our CO2 emissions.

    Might California and the United States pass a law requiring every citizen to fill out the Nature Conservancy Carbon Counter to get the standard deduction on their California and federal Income Tax? That way more Californians and more Americans would be thinking about their CO2 emissions and how they might protect the United States from the climate change resulting from their CO2 emissions. We might decide to encourage every U.S. citizen to buy carbon offsets to absorb the tonnes of CO2 they emitted last year.

    The average Californian emits about 70 pounds of CO2 per day, so we have a long way to go before all every Californian emits just 11.2 pounds CO2 per day, or we increase California’s forests so we can emit more than 11.2 pounds of CO2 per day.

    May we begin to protect enough forests to absorb all of our CO2 emissions. May we become enlightened as to our CO2 emissions. May we become aware all our CO2 emissions must be absorbed by forests to end global warming from carbon dioxide. May we stop emitting other greenhouse gases as well..

    Thank you for helping us become more mindful,



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